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# OpenJS Foundation Standards Working Group Meeting 2020-07-14
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## Links
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* **Recording**:
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* **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/openjs-foundation/standards/issues/99
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## Present
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* Joe Sepi (@joesepi)
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* Donovan Buck (@dtex)
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* Jordan Harband (@ljharb)
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* Myles Borins (@MylesBorins)
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* Brian Kardell (@bkardell)
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* Robin Ginn
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* Mike Samuel
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## Agenda
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### Announcements
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*Extracted from **cross-project-council-agenda** labeled issues and pull requests from the **openjs-foundation org** prior to the meeting.
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### openjs-foundation/standards
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* Discuss necessity or lack thereof, of having a chairperson for the team. Discussed the possibility of a “chore wheel”.
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* MBS: We could explore automating the transfer of notes from the Google doc to the repo. Might be worth looking into.
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* MBS: TC-39 deadline for discussion is upcoming and it’s a good time to take a look at proposals that are up for advancement
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* JBN: TC-53 is meeting tomorrow
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* BKL shares announcement from Igalia: I work for Igalia and we work on all the open source web browsers. Tons of companies participate in creating web standards, Igalia helps gets them implemented. We thought it would be good if groups could collaborate and prioritize things to implement. We’ve identified 6 that anyone can go and contribute to help get the feature implemented. We hope this experiment will help start some healthy discussions about how the web can move forward.
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https://www.igalia.com/open-prioritization/
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## Q&A, Other
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## Upcoming Meetings
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* **Calendar**: https://calendar.openjsf.org
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Click `+GoogleCalendar` at the bottom right to add to your own Google calendar.
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# OpenJS Foundation Standards Working Group Meeting 2020-08-25
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## Links
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* **Recording**:
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* **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/openjs-foundation/standards/issues/104
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## Present
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* Jory Burson
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* Robin Ginn
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* Myles Borins
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* Mike Samuel
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* Richard Gibson
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* Donovan Buck
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* Eemeli Aro
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* Sendil Kumar
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* Mike Samuel
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* OpenJS Foundation Cross Project Council
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* OpenJS Foundation Project Maintainers
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* OpenJS Foundation Board of Directors
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## Agenda
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### Announcements
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*Extracted from **cross-project-council-agenda** labeled issues and pull requests from the **openjs-foundation org** prior to the meeting.
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### openjs-foundation/standards
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* Proposals for TC39 [#102](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/standards/issues/102)
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What gap do we fill?
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How do we track / continue to support?
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Distinction between representing the project (Node) vs. the foundation (all of OpenJS)
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Action: Create venue for soliciting feedback
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Action: Documenting proposal process
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Action: Similar for W3C votes
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Action: Check in with Gus!
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* Meeting time (Ad Hoc, raised from CPC meeting)
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* CPC meetings are alternating with an earlier meeting time as an experiment
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* back to back with CPC meeting is probably ideal
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* TC53 Meeting Update
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* working on first specification(s) - first draft expected in about a month
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* After first draft we would love to get feedback from the broader community - need to identify which projects would be interested
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* Robin happy to use marketing resources to help share information
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* Check with Ben on Unicode Blog
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* Chore Wheel Items
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Agenda
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Triage
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Meeting reminders to people
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Hosting
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Notes taking
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* Make 2021 Strategy Meeting - file issue
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* Note about the word “Member”
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## Q&A, Other
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## Upcoming Meetings
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* **Calendar**: https://calendar.openjsf.org
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# OpenJS Foundation Standards Working Group Meeting 2020-09-08
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## Links
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* **Recording**:
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* **GitHub Issue**: $GITHUB_ISSUE$
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## Present
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* OpenJS Foundation Cross Project Council
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* OpenJS Foundation Project Maintainers
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* OpenJS Foundation Board of Directors
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Brina Kardell
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Myles Borins
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Eemeli
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Jory Burson
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Donovan Buck
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Jordan Harband
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## Agenda
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### Announcements
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*Extracted from **cross-project-council-agenda** labeled issues and pull requests from the **openjs-foundation org** prior to the meeting.
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### openjs-foundation/standards
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* Proposals for TC39 [#102](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/standards/issues/102)
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* TPAC Breakout proposals - Discussion regarding ongoing things at W3C, and how OpenJS and W3C can work together. Will be revisited at the end of October. BK will share a schedule and breakouts for TPAC event (https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2020/GroupMeetings
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* Possible role for OpenJS Foundation in helping to maintain/steward proposal polyfills for new language features. MDN had been moving towards pointing to NPM packages instead of including polyfills on MDN pages. Not sure what will happen at MDN going forward so can OpenJS help with this? BK will open a new issue for discussion (tag with “standards-agenda”).
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* Discussion of opportunities to share information from standards bodies activities with member projects. No role for OpenJS to have early discussion of notes prior to their public release, as attendees will need an opportunity to ensure their words are fairly represented. DB will open a new issue for discussion (tag with “standards-agenda”).
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* WICG is creating a new way to create proposals. Might be interesting to various projects (https://github.com/WICG/proposals)
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* Discussion around set of “Getting started” resources for community members who are interested.
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## Q&A, Other
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RG: Re-iterates importance of agendas and notes as they pertains to foundation.
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MB: Reminds the group that in the event of little or no events on agenda, we can always cancel.
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## Upcoming Meetings
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* **Calendar**: https://calendar.openjsf.org
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Click `+GoogleCalendar` at the bottom right to add to your own Google calendar.
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# OpenJS Foundation Standards Working Group Meeting 2020-10-06
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## Links
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* **Recording**:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34DxEp4x2lk&ab_channel=OpenJSFoundation
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* **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/openjs-foundation/standards/issues/108
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## Present
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* Joe Sepi (@joesepi)
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* Robin Ginn
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* Myles Borins
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* Mike Samuel
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* Brian Kardell
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* Mike Champion
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* Jordan Harband
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* Richard Gibson
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* Jory Burson
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* Donovan Buck (@dtex)
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## Agenda
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### Announcements
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### openjs-foundation/standards
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* A home for reference-implementation polyfills [#106](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/standards/issues/106)
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BK: Currently in the standards dev process, proposal go from speculative idea polyfill to a “true” polyfill to patch browsers that haven’t added the functionality. Currently there is no way to ensure those polyfills don’t fall subject or bit rot. We need an easy way for those communities to submit their polyfills to a place where they will be maintained and can be shared with the community. That’s the gist. There’s a lot to work out yet.
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JH: I am one of the people that maintains widely used JS polyfills. There really isn’t a community that needs collecting and managing. These tend to be “single-maintainer” projects. Unless the foundation is removing obstacles for the maintainers I’m skeptical about this as an idea. Secondly, JS spec implementations already link to polyfills, but makes an effort to not endorse or choose a preferred solution.
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BK: There is definitely some conversation to be had about “blessing” a polyfill.
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JH: The long term challenge isn’t around creating a polyfill while people are excited about a proposal. Long term maintenance (after browsers start shipping) is the real problem.
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JB: So this may not address the needs of polyfill maintainers unless long term maintenance is an added benefit.
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MS: Agree with JH. Long-term maintenance is super important.
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JH: I think a project that provides tests would be embraced. There isn’t an easy way to run 262 tests against anything that’s not a browser. That’s a problem I’d love to see solved that would definitely help.
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MS: So, to restate, being able to run tests on a bunch of different platforms would be helpful.
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JH: Many projects out there, whether they be polyfills, transpilers, etc could benefit from the ability to run conformance tests.
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JB: Maybe this is a good thing for us to talk about on a higher level.
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BK: One of the things we could do is provide a means for actually running tests. I support this.
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MB: My gut on this, based on our charter, is that this is something better suited for the collaboration network. I’m not saying this work isn’t important or worthy, but for the sake of our meetings we should be facilitating discussion.
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BK: I agree. We have heard from W3C and individual developers about this, so I brought this issue to see if we can facilitate some actual action.
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MB: I think the goos path forward would be to set up a Collaboration Space and see if some traction can be established there.
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Action Item: Jory and Brian to speak with Micheal Dawson about initializing a space for “Polyfillers”
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* Proposals for TC39 [#102](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/standards/issues/102)
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FYI - prepping for 2021 Standards strategy session - what questions do we want to try to answer?
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* How do we communicate to the broader community - how do we make member projects more aware of what we’re doing?
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* Can we poll the projects - how would you like to be represented, how would you like to get involved, etc?
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* How do the projects imagine this working?
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## Q&A, Other
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## Upcoming Meetings
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* **Calendar**: https://calendar.openjsf.org
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Click `+GoogleCalendar` at the bottom right to add to your own Google calendar.
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