DSL vs Workflow-as-code (Wac) - which is right?

[globalflea]

in another discussion with tsurdilo, he shared a youtube video when the serverless spec was implemented on temporal.io (#526)

I watched the video and was intrigued by temporal.io, as it provides a lot of the fundamental features required for long-running workflows. Digging a little deeper, however, i found that temporal introduces the concept of "Workflow as code" (as with a lot of other "... as code" recently). This seems to be a big contrast to the DSL approach and i am now wondering if the DSL approach still make sense - i.e. which is better DSL or Workflow-as-code (WaC)??

[tsurdilo]

Yes, in Temporal you write workflows as code, but you can run any DSL on top of Temporal. There is a Java sample that runs our DSL on top of Temporal here. We are also working on out-of-box integration with Java SDK (repo still private atm but will be public soon) and if there is adoption will add it for TypeScript and Go SDKs as well in the future.

As far as how you should write your workflows, thats really up to you. Here is a blog I wrote that kinda talks about pros/cons of major used ways of writing workflows.

[thiagoanselmo]

SDKs TypeScript <3

[tsurdilo]

@globalflea let me know if you want to be added to our currently private repo for Temporal integration (Java). No need to contribute, but maybe you can get some ideas about a possible Go impl, and I can add you to slack channel where the discussions are happening as well. Also feel free to ping me or @antmendoza with questions about integration.

[thiagoanselmo]

@giorgosera

Where is the repo? I can contribute to this!

[tsurdilo]

@thiagoanselmo hey maybe idea could be to add this ts integration in your repo and share it, then we could work on moving it to a SW repo if you want to contribute it. wdyt?

[thiagoanselmo]

@tsurdilo

Hi, yes I can!
How did you start the SDK in JAVA.
Send me the links you used that helped you build the SDK.

Or if you already have something in your mind where to start, please direct me!

[antmendoza]

@thiagoanselmo if you are still interested in typescript<->Temporal we can work on this together.

[vsai-zuora]

@tsurdilo I can help with temporal integration (java). I am currently working on building an out-of-the-box DSL-based implementation on top of temporal using SW at my company. Hope I can contribute with some of the ideas.

[tsurdilo]

I'd really like all of your help with the Temporal integration work. Can you please give indication on how much time per week you would be able to work on this (just ballpark is enough) and what SDK you want to help with and let's start planning for this.

[SinanLai]

Hi, @tsurdilo, our backend project now uses the Temporal workflow but we want to introduce Serverless to improve the usage of hardware. I am very interested in this and want to know whether the Temporal integration work started. If not, is there any plan for this? thx

[thiagoanselmo]

Guys, I'm starting soon!
I'm finishing up a log centering project.

Since I didn't want to use graylog because it uses Java (I think it's heavy) and uses elasticsearch for searches, I think it's expensive to maintain an elastic cluster.

So in this project he uses Atlas Search (lucene).
I finish this project this week, and we're going to make it open source as well.

And next week I'm going to start this project!

Sorry I'm late getting started, but I had other demands I needed to fulfill!